tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post5994592766880999547..comments2023-03-26T00:56:56.277-07:00Comments on Chick Flicks: cinefeminism: Riefenstahl with a conscience?kanakohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02223899800545206074noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post-12923557692689342932009-03-14T16:29:00.000-07:002009-03-14T16:29:00.000-07:00my point being, that anyone can learn to bake a pi...my point being, that anyone can learn to bake a pie, make a quilt, plant a tree, write a song...and this is something that has the potential to be transformative in a consumer culture, ultimately these are tools of resistance. i don't think DIY necessarily equals elitism, when viewed in this wayTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post-5414455237812404532009-03-14T16:25:00.000-07:002009-03-14T16:25:00.000-07:00i think these are really important questions to be...i think these are really important questions to be asking re: feminism and art making and access. i'm wondering if there is another way to 'reach' women without access to 'diy' culture (for lack of a better name) than the mall though...as once things get to the mall, they tend to lose their radicalism--people get the spice girls version of girl power rather than bikini kill's (though you can get bk records at the mall and i have tried to get our records there precisely for this reason) but what about folk culture/art that does not involve pop culture. i guess maybe crafts would be an example of this--people who are creative making their homes and lives better with what they have access to, from clothes-making to pie-baking to gardening...i think there is a way to live that is more connected and less consumer-driven. my grandma (who loved to shop and cut coupons) was more connected to this way of life and i see the good parts of 'diy' as being in a continuum to the way she lived on the farm, where they made their own music, put on dances, canned and preserved the food they grew, made quilts, etc. sure this was out of necessity, but when they had to sell the farm to come out west to work in the factories they lost a lot of community. i am not saying that my grandma's life in kansas was necessarily more feminist, but she was more in touch with community and by necessity had to be a strong and independent woman. so as far as feminist art making goes, i like to think of my grandma, and how she was an artist and in her own way, a feminist.<BR/>i don't know if that addresses all of anna's concerns, but it is something that came up after reading her post.Tobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post-80332891949707408612009-03-10T13:43:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:43:00.000-07:00I think in creating art as feminists/anarchists/ s...I think in creating art as feminists/anarchists/ socialists/whatever we need to recognize how we are distributing it, who it is intended for. those "women who cooperate with, uphold and perpetuate systems of power that oppress women"? the masses? are we going to find those people in downtown Olympia? sure, but not as many as we would find in the mall. My cousin Sheila in Spokane, WA who has 5 kids and 2 jobs isn't going to read our zines, hear our music, watch our films, or see our art. The people who need it the most are not being reached. We need to branch out of out normal audience by going to places and getting to people we wouldn't want to. I hope this isn't repetative.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15631331923786314735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post-69093993234581156222009-02-26T01:03:00.000-08:002009-02-26T01:03:00.000-08:00This is a great conversation. I feel schooled. a...This is a great conversation. I feel schooled. and it's cool. I'm getting it! <BR/><BR/>I think in order to build a broader movement within this consumerist landscape, we need larger audiences/mass dialogue. The modes and means to reach most folks are controlled by the wealthiest and i think their influence is omnipresent. How can cinefeminism be as influential as DR. Dre? How do we create work that is outside/against/opposed to/ these systems of oppression that reach beyond the scope of our immediate communities? More importantly how can this be done without groveling up the path of towards the powerful and privileged. <BR/><BR/>I wonder, is it possible to speak beyond the choir using only radical tools/vision/laungage/asthetics? What Dr. Dre did for hip hop is what we could do for cinefeminism. Maintain our voices but create them using the best production quality.<BR/><BR/>It is important that we evaluate our motivations for creating art as feminists and keep them in line with broader goals for basic human needs for all. WORD.kanakohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02223899800545206074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post-14016741992726090062009-02-26T00:16:00.000-08:002009-02-26T00:16:00.000-08:00LF=LR i have mild dyslexic typing problem alkjdlfk...LF=LR i have mild dyslexic typing problem alkjdlfkjadake<BR/><BR/>anyhow i am just sort of rephrasing what joaquin is already saying bl bla blaTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post-71623059646439428302009-02-25T23:59:00.000-08:002009-02-25T23:59:00.000-08:00manarchism. ha ha.manarchism. ha ha.kanakohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02223899800545206074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200844523883879019.post-82372646233901942222009-02-25T23:54:00.000-08:002009-02-25T23:54:00.000-08:00This is a really great post and we have already ta...This is a really great post and we have already talked about a lot of this off-blog, so no need to reiterate.<BR/><BR/>I do want to say that "the male power structure" is not as "male" as this term makes it sound. What I mean is that there are always women who cooperate with, uphold and perpetuate systems of power that oppress women. So I get what you mean using this term, but I think it's misleading and not necessarily useful when discussing systems of oppression. <BR/><BR/>LF is the exception, the token woman with access to power in a male-dominated realm. Is the goal of feminism to have more female fascists? Clearly not. It's not just as simple as woman=victim and man=oppressor and when women have access to the tools to create liberation happen for all women. When LF starting working with Hitler (granted, after she made Das Blaue Licht) she became the oppressor. Was she also a feminist? Or maybe more to the point, was her early work feminist? And what is the criteria for evaluating this?<BR/><BR/>If our ideas about "art" are Romantic and aesthetics are simply a matter of "individual choice" or "personal preference" then maybe that is a certain kind of feminism, though I would argue not a very radical version.<BR/><BR/>In my definition of feminism, we have to be concerned with what happens to all women, not just token women w/ privilege who are focused on having a professional career in the arts or whatever. We need to build an inclusive popular feminist movement whose aim is to radically transform society.<BR/><BR/>In this view, the questions feminist artists should ask start here:<BR/><BR/>+Who has access to feminist history/theory/movements/tools/information/resources/community and who doesn't and why? <BR/><BR/>+How do we create a world where people of all genders have our basic needs met (housing, health care, food, child care, education, work, literacy) and are free from human/civil rights violations (rape, war, torture, slavery, economic exploitation, racism, prison, immigration abuses and other kinds of violence) ? <BR/><BR/>+What does art have to do with it? Communication? Empowerment? Replacing individualistic consumer-culture with a culture of community and resistance? Joy? A solution to mind-numbing boredom? An alternative to objectification?<BR/><BR/>I'm sure we all have our own ideas about this...Tobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.com